Talk:Allowable Variations - Revision history

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		+	Respectfully, I don't believe we can answer that now. That's why we have two charstaffers looking at every app and referring it to Themestaff if there's a question. There are far too many variants in canon for these characters for us to lock down which can be used, other than very generally.
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		+	I do believe we need canon age brackets that certain characters are in for roughly what age they are. I do not want to see people apping Year One Batman, for example, because it totally screws up everyone else's canon for Batman to be 22 and Superman being in his late thirties. Likewise if a New Mutant character is older than a Year One X-men. I think setting that age bracket restricts the canon that people can choose from while still giving them some leeway.
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		+	Were I to generally put a limit on it, I would say it must be a canon from within the last twenty years; that way people are generally going to fit together in the same theme.--[[User:Metahistory\|Metahistory]] ([[User talk:Metahistory\|talk]]) 01:48, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
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 I would just ban the F4 then rather than deal with the headaches of people breaking canon with them then. Plenty of other characters they can app. Frankly, it's over thirty or forty years of established comic canon that they're married; to me Reed and Sue married is essential to the characters and any applicant should be aware of the canon when apping. Allowing them to app nonmarried just opens up the characters to WTF moments of them wandering off into OC land.
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		+	I would just ban the F4 then rather than deal with the headaches of people breaking canon with them then. Plenty of other characters they can app. Frankly, it's over thirty or forty years of established comic canon that they're married; to me Reed and Sue married is essential to the characters and any applicant should be aware of the canon when apping. Allowing them to app nonmarried just opens up the characters to WTF moments of them wandering off into OC land.
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 Honestly, Fate is so powerful I would make him a TPC character. He's more than just a magic user, he's a Lord of Order. Dr. Strange should work for the Sorceror Supreme. And yes, we will need to make a list of acceptable AU characters like America and Gwen, just to be clear. --[[User:Metahistory|Metahistory]] ([[User talk:Metahistory|talk]]) 21:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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	I agree on no 'alternate dimension' variations once one has been established and created. However, we should also stress that unique characters from alternate dimensions (America Chavez, for example) are okay and acceptable. And if the character hasn't been created, an alternate dimensional variation may be accepted (Gwen Stacy as Spider Woman, for example). [[User:DeadWeather\|DeadWeather]] ([[User talk:DeadWeather\|talk]]) 12:11, 2 August 2020 (UTC)		I agree on no 'alternate dimension' variations once one has been established and created. However, we should also stress that unique characters from alternate dimensions (America Chavez, for example) are okay and acceptable. And if the character hasn't been created, an alternate dimensional variation may be accepted (Gwen Stacy as Spider Woman, for example). [[User:DeadWeather\|DeadWeather]] ([[User talk:DeadWeather\|talk]]) 12:11, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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		+	Honestly, Fate is so powerful I would make him a TPC character. He's more than just a magic user, he's a Lord of Order. Dr. Strange should work for the Sorceror Supreme. And yes, we will need to make a list of acceptable AU characters like America and Gwen, just to be clear. --[[User:Metahistory\|Metahistory]] ([[User talk:Metahistory\|talk]]) 21:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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	Another requirement is we may need to set the version of a character that we find allowable and a version that is not. For example, Maxima. The canon version that has existed in comics is horribly overpowered; I would not ever want to see her played. However, the nu52 version of Maxima is much more balanced and better characterized, and I'd be okay with allowing her.--[[User:Metahistory\|Metahistory]] ([[User talk:Metahistory\|talk]]) 03:48, 17 July 2020 (UTC)		Another requirement is we may need to set the version of a character that we find allowable and a version that is not. For example, Maxima. The canon version that has existed in comics is horribly overpowered; I would not ever want to see her played. However, the nu52 version of Maxima is much more balanced and better characterized, and I'd be okay with allowing her.--[[User:Metahistory\|Metahistory]] ([[User talk:Metahistory\|talk]]) 03:48, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
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		+	I agree with pretty much everything that's been said here.
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		+	No 'future' children. Direct kids from lineage need to be able to fit into a parent's IC age/timeline reasonably and have that player's (or those players) permission/okay to do so. There is nothing worse as a MC than getting saddled with a terrible player for a character (like Damian) who ruins shit for you.
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		+	2 Green Lanterns, and 2 Flash's - one for JL potentially, and one for Titans potentially.
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		+	Also, there should only be one 'premium' Sorcerer in game - either Strange or Fate IMHO. Having them both taints the importance or capabilities of the other.
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		+	I agree on no 'alternate dimension' variations once one has been established and created. However, we should also stress that unique characters from alternate dimensions (America Chavez, for example) are okay and acceptable. And if the character hasn't been created, an alternate dimensional variation may be accepted (Gwen Stacy as Spider Woman, for example). [[User:DeadWeather\|DeadWeather]] ([[User talk:DeadWeather\|talk]]) 12:11, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

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-Per discussion on the mush: AU/future children of other characters should be completely banned. In the event someone wants to app a child of another character (i.e. Damien Wayne), they must have the consent of both their parents first if they are already apped and played (i.e. Batman AND Talia if they both exist). In the event the parent character has not been apped, they may proceed. If the child character is already apped and a parent character is later apped, they have lost the ability to no-consent to the child character's existence and must work out with them how their timelines mesh. This does not, however, mean that the parent characters are locked into an IC relationship that is ongoing; if Batman says Damien is fine, and a later Talia apper is not interested, she is stuck with Damien having been her kid, but any such relationship between Damien and Talia can be expected to be in the past. In addition, if a parent character is apped at an age where they could not have a child of a playable age (which is 15? 18?) then that child character is disallowed. There may be exceptions to this rule: for example, the Fantastic Four should be set as a family unit, with Reed and Sue married and having kids and any player apping them should expect that is the reality. There may be other character pairings that are likewise set to be already in a relationship like that or to automatically have kids that exist (Stargirl is another example of this, being the daughter of her stepfather who is also a hero).--[[User:Metahistory|Metahistory]] ([[User talk:Metahistory|talk]]) 03:46, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
+Per discussion on the mush: AU/future children of other characters should be completely banned (no Helena Wayne, AU Steve Rogers daughter, Ruby Summers, Rachel Summers, etc). In the event someone wants to app a child of another character (i.e. Damien Wayne), they must have the consent of both their parents first if they are already apped and played (i.e. Batman AND Talia if they both exist). In the event the parent character has not been apped, they may proceed. If the child character is already apped and a parent character is later apped, they have lost the ability to no-consent to the child character's existence and must work out with them how their timelines mesh. This does not, however, mean that the parent characters are locked into an IC relationship that is ongoing; if Batman says Damien is fine, and a later Talia apper is not interested, she is stuck with Damien having been her kid, but any such relationship between Damien and Talia can be expected to be in the past. In addition, if a parent character is apped at an age where they could not have a child of a playable age (which is 15? 18?) then that child character is disallowed. There may be exceptions to this rule: for example, the Fantastic Four should be set as a family unit, with Reed and Sue married and having kids and any player apping them should expect that is the reality. There may be other character pairings that are likewise set to be already in a relationship like that or to automatically have kids that exist (Stargirl is another example of this, being the daughter of her stepfather who is also a hero).--[[User:Metahistory|Metahistory]] ([[User talk:Metahistory|talk]]) 03:46, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
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 Do we need a list of 'locked' characters then? I'd recommend it, just so people know they can't modify the basic idea once it's established.
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	That's exactly what I'm saying, unless you can give me a concrete reason otherwise, yes.		That's exactly what I'm saying, unless you can give me a concrete reason otherwise, yes.
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		+	Do we need a list of 'locked' characters then? I'd recommend it, just so people know they can't modify the basic idea once it's established.
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	But this also brings up the problem of what if, say, we get someone who wants to play Starfire, apps hers, people RP with her, then they drop and someone wants to app the 52 version of Starfire (because they have terrible taste). Do we say they can't do that because we've already established the version of Starfire that can be used?--[[User:Metahistory\|Metahistory]] ([[User talk:Metahistory\|talk]]) 22:33, 7 July 2020 (UTC)		But this also brings up the problem of what if, say, we get someone who wants to play Starfire, apps hers, people RP with her, then they drop and someone wants to app the 52 version of Starfire (because they have terrible taste). Do we say they can't do that because we've already established the version of Starfire that can be used?--[[User:Metahistory\|Metahistory]] ([[User talk:Metahistory\|talk]]) 22:33, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
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		+	That's exactly what I'm saying, unless you can give me a concrete reason otherwise, yes.
		+	--[[User:OwlCity\|OwlCity]] ([[User talk:OwlCity\|talk]]) 22:34, 7 July 2020 (UTC)